Known Associates

Related official releases


The Peel Sessions EP


Strange Fruit (SFPS 003)

Produced by Mark Radcliffe

Recorded 24th July 1984

First transmitted on John Peel show 2nd August 1984

1: Good And Gone (1:39)

2: Someone To Talk To (3:51)

3: Tracking The Dog (3:04)

4: Let's Go Down To The Woods And Pray (3:13)

The Peel Sessions CD



Dutch East India Trading (DEI8315-2)

1: Good And Gone (1:39)

2: Someone To Talk To (3:51)

3: Tracking The Dog (3:04)

4: Let's Go Down To The Woods And Pray (3:13)

The Sampler
The Peel Sessions

12" and CD



Strange Fruit

1: The Damned - New Rose

2: Buzzcocks - What Do I Get?

3: The Fall - Mess Of God

4: The Undertones - Here Comes The Summer

5: Young Marble Giants - Final Day

6: The Birthday Party - Big Jesus Trash Can

7: Culture - Lion Rock

8: New Order - 5-8-6

9: Billy Bragg - A New England

10: The Screaming Blue Messiahs - Good And Gone

11: That Petrol Emotion - V2

12: The Wedding Present - This Boy Can Wait

13: Electro Hippies - Mother

14: Intense Degree - Take No Chances

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BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert


Windsong (WINCD 022)

Recorded 27th February 1988 at the Town & Country Club, London

Produced by Pete Ritzema

1: Sweet Water Pools (5:12)

2: Jesus Chrysler Drives A Dodge (6:30)

3: Bikini Red (5:08)

4: Happy Home (4:31)

5: Jerry's Electric Church (4:40)

6: Clear View (6:22)

7: I Wanna Be A Flintstone (4:30)

8: Talking Doll (3:28)

9: Holiday Head (4:34)

10: Twin Cadillac Valentine (6:15)

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Live at The BBC


HUX Records (HUX 103)

Recorded 30th March 1985 at the Paris Theatre, London

Produced by Jeff Griffin

Paris Theatre,  Radio 1, 30 March 1985:

1: Good and Gone (1:37)

2: Vision and Blues (3:26)

3: Growing For Gold (3:34)

4: Tracking The Dog (3:25)

5: Let's Go Down To The woods (2:45)

6: Happy Home (3:25)

7: Holiday Head (4:10)

8: President Kennedy's Mile (2:48)

9: Destroyer (2:59)

10: Wild Blue Yonder (3:19)

11: Twin Cadillac Valentine (5:24)

Andy Kershaw Session 14 June 1985:

12: Good and Gone (1:39)

13: Tracking The Dog (2:43)

14: Talking Doll (2:04)

Janice Long Session 4 November 1987:

15: Sweet Water Pools (3:47)

16: I Wanna Be A Flintstone (3:29)

17: Big Brother Muscle (3:32)

Pre~Messiahs recordings

The Small Brothers

Got The Hurt

7" single 1980

Albion (ION 1003)

Produced by Pat Collier at Alaska Studios, London

All songs written by Bill Carter


1. Got The Hurt


1. Love and Murder

2. Baby Mine

Bill, Chris and Kenny together for the first time.

Etched on the A-Side is 'Drive Friendly' and etched on the B-Side 'Get Carter'.

Motor Boys Motor

Drive Friendly

7" single 1980

SHH Four Records

(SSH 4)

Produced by Pat Collier

A-Side: Drive Friendly (Carter/Moon)

B-Side: Fast 'n' Bulbous / Grow Fins (Don Van Vliet)


Line-up consists of Chris on bass, Tony Moon on vocals for the A-Side and Bill on vocals on the B-Side. Oh, and Bill's on drums as well and did the cover artwork!

Robyn Hitchcock

Eaten By Her Own Dinner

7" single 1982

Midnight Music Ding 2

Recorded November 1981


1. Eaten By Her Own Dinner


1. Listening To The Higsons

2. Dr. Sticky

Bill and Chris play on the title track on side one.
Also released on a 12" compilation in 1986.

Motor Boys Motor

Motor Boys Motor

LP 1982

Albion (ALLP 4.00043)

Produced by John Brand at The Workhouse, Old Kent Road, London. Engineerd by John Brand and Rik Walton.

All songs written by Motor Boys Motor

    Side One:

1. Drive Friendly (3:07)

2. Hooves (3:55)

3. Here Come the Flintstones (3:02)

4. Yes Indeedy (3:07)

5. Clean Shirt and a Shave (5:12)

    Side Two:

1. Sacred Pie (2:14)

2. Little Boy and Fat Man (3:14)

3. One Down, One Down (3:02)

4. Claw Boys Claw (3:09)

5. Freeze Up The Truth (7:05)

Lineup Tony Moon: vocals, harp, horn, jaw / Bill Carter: guitar / Chris Thompson: bass, acoustic and slide guitar / John Kingham: drums, percussion. Seamus Beaghen plays Hammond on 'Clean Shirt And A Shave'.

A great lost album and several hints of things to come with the Messiahs. Obviously the Flintstone song title, but also some lyrics from 'Drive Friendly' appear again on the Totally Religious track 'Nitro' ("She's black and evil with chrome all down the side"). Moon's stream-of-consciousness ranting vocal style will sound familiar too. I remember seeing a band called Claw Boys Claw at the Melkweg, Amsterdam, New Years Eve in the late '80s.

Motor Boys Motor

Motor Boys Motor

CD 1997

Line Music (LNE 901348)

Released by Line Music, Germany in 1997. Tracks identical to LP versiion.

Motor Boys Motor

Free flexidisc



Given away with the UK release of the album

1: Motor Boys Motor - Little Boy & Fat Man


2: Robyn Hitchcock - 52 Stations

Motor Boys Motor

Bootleg CD

Rote Fabrik

Zürich, Germany

20th March 1983

1. Clean Shirt And A Shave

2. Growing For Gold

3. Hot And Cold

4. (unknown)

5. Little Boy And Fat Man

6. (unknown)

7. Here Come The Flintstones

8. Drive Friendly

Motor Boys Motor

Bootleg CD

Quartier Latin

Berlin, Germany

7th January 1983

1. Clean Shirt And A Shave

2. Growing For Gold

3. Hot And Cold

4. Here Come The Flintstones

5. Little Boy And Fat Man

6. (unknown)

7. Claw Boys Claw

8. (unknown)

9. Sacred Pie

10. Drive Friendly

11. Hooves

The Sounds / WEA Christmas Cracker

7" single December 1985

WEA International


Given away free with Sounds Magazine, UK


1: The Screaming Blue Messiahs - Twin Cadillac Valentine

2: Sudden Sway - Fatherized


1: The Associates - Breakfast
    (Recorded Live At Ronnie Scotts)

2: Brilliant (Killing Joke project) - Subtle Manoeuvres

The Sounds Machine EP

7" single 1988

(MACH 2)

Given away free with Sounds Magazine, UK


1: Living Colour - Open Letter (To A Landlord) (Live)

2: The Screaming Blue Messiahs - Sweet Water Pools


1: Queensrÿche - Revolution Calling

2: Voivod - Too Scared To Scream

King Blank

Mouth Off

12" promo single 1988

Situation Two

(SIT 51)

Recorded at The Greenhouse, January 1988

A-Side: Mouth Off (2.03)

B-Side: 1. Drunk on Tears 2. Bagman

King Blank (Ian Lowery) formerly of the Folk Devils, Ski Patrol and The Wall. The A-Side, Mouth Off, is co-written and produced by Bill. It features Bill on guitar and harmonica, Chris on bass and Kenny on drums. The B-Side features Ian with Nigel Pulsford (now of Bush) on guitar, keyboards and drums.

Post~Messiahs recordings

Dynamo Hum

Four Cute Creatures

10" EP 1991

Shagrat (005)

All tracks written by Thompson/Moon

Produced by Pat Collier

Etched on the record are the messages 'Dedicated to the memory of Lee Brilleaux' and 'Love is a Cadillac and Death is a Ford'

    Side One:

1. Shake Marilyn Monroe

2. Drunken Angel

    Side Two:

1. Head Hive and the Honey

2. Ball that Jack


Chris Thompson guitars, vocals

Tony Moon vocals, harp

Ricky McGuire bass

Kenny Harris drums

The Killer B's

Love is a Cadillac -

Death is a Ford



Cat Music 001

All tracks written by Thompson/Moon

Produced by Pat Collier

Tracks on the Dynamo Hum release identical to those on The Killer B's album. Tony Moon and Kenny Harris later leave. Chris takes over vocal duties and Dave Morgan is brought in on drums.

1. Liar Liar (3.42)

2. Colour Me Go (4.11)

3. Bad Ju Ju (3.16)

4. Clam Digger (2:44)

5. Head Hive and the Honey (4.40)

6. Jack Kerouac Kinda Day (3:47)

7. Grown So Ugly (2:22)

8. Drunken Angel (3:35)

9. Shake Marilyn Monroe (3.56)

10. Low Watt Light (3:11)

11. Ball That Jack (3:44)

12. Killer's Kiss (4.19)

Later re-released in 2004 on Trax Records.

Same recording as on the original self-released album above.


The Killer B's continued playing till 2014.

Following this Chris and Kenny, joined by John Timoney on bass, became The Messiahs in 2015.

Zurich 7:12:89

Official Bootleg CD

Taken from a German FM radio broadcast from 1989 and released with collaboration of all band members in 2007.

I was instrumental in bringing this project to life, having gathered a number of bootleg gigs and sharing them with the band. They reached a consensus on this Zurich gig being the best of the recordings and interesting in it's set list and sound. It was briefly made available for sale direct from Kenny in 2007/8. I did the sleeve and label design for it as well.

Bill Carter
Demo recordings

1995 - 2005

Simsala Bim Bam (3.51) Recorded 1995

Promised Land (3.05) Recorded 1995

Motorhead (2.24) Recorded 2000

Treetops Surrender (3.08) Recorded 2005

Posted on Bill's MySpace site

Bill Carter: guitar and vocals

Sarah Corina: bass

JJ Johnson: drums

Compilation appearances

Stiff, Stiffer, Stiffest

(A Stiff Records Collection) Compilation CD 2001



Compiled by Joe Cushley

21 track compilation featuring 'Drive Friendly' by Motor Boys Motor.

The track also appears on the 4 CD collection from Demon Records 'The Stiff Records Box Set', (STIFF BOX 1), released August 1992.

Some Sides Of Line

20th Anniversary

Compilation CD

Line Records

(LNE 901356)

'Drive Friendly' from Motor Boys Motor

Raiding The Vaults

Stiff Rarities & Oddities
Vol 1

Compilation CD 2003



'Drive Friendly' from Motor Boys Motor

Don't Let The Hope
Close Down

Compilation LP 1984


Charity record to save the Hope & Anchor pub in London from closure.

Amongst other acts like The Pogues, Robyn Hitchcock and The Men They Couldn't Hang, it also features 'Tracking The Dog' by the Messiahs.

Beach Party

Big Beat Compilation




(W1KM 39)

Features 'Tracking The Dog' from the Messiahs' 'Good And Gone' EP.

Play This!

The Best New Music on Elektra

Compilation CD 1988


(PR 2213-2)

 Promo compilation of Elektra artists.

Includes 'I Wanna Be A Flintstone' and 'Bikini Red'.

The Flintstones OST

Music From Bedrock

CD / 12" vinyl Picture Disc


MCA Soundtracks

(MCA 11100)

Features 'I Wanna Be A Flintstone', needless to say.

Hard To Find Classics

Alternative 80s

Compilation CD


A&M Canada

(314 555 327-2)

Features 'I Wanna Be A Flintstone' Extended Mix (5:22)

Retro:Active -

Rare & Remixed

Compilation CD

January 2004

Hi-Bias Records


Features 'I Wanna Be A Flintstone' Extended Mix (5:22)


Compilation CD


Flashback Records

Features 'I Wanna Be A Flintstone'

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